@Dist well, it does cause more work, so unless you love work, then yeah, that’s not great. It also makes it super confusing for any new to twitch users, and would have made at least 1/4 of new to twitch users miss out on it on our channels if we didn’t have twitchnotify hackaround working.
As for “not entirely uncommon”… I strongly disagree. we have less than 0.1% of people who sub offstream. That’s extremely uncommon. Even if you multiplied that by 100x to get 10% of all subs, that’s STILL uncommon. 1 in 10 is pretty definitively “uncommon”.
The number of people that would choose to go out of their way to lurk-sub is massively outweighed by the number of people for whom the current “sub then refresh then announce then do more stuff” system is confusing, and missing opportunities.
“People are catching on” will never apply to new users to twitch.
Why would a new user to twitch who comes over from _(insert platform), gets excited enough to subscribe, and then has nothing happen as a response ever stick around on twitch? The default response behaviour to “spend money” has to be “good job!” not “now go refresh and jump through some hoops”.