RFC 0014 is not enough

[gintheninja]

@Dist

OAuth is an industry standard, there are many examples and guides on how to implement it, it is not a complex system and is how many bots and services on Twitch operate and handle thousands of end users without issue.

The problem isn’t really OAuth, its the complexity that comes with managing multiple user tokens, parititoning your data per server rather than globally (which for polling a single user token, or using eventsub, is desirable in order to de-dup streamers) and monitoring such a system that has a new host of problems (how do we handle the user revoking access, how do we handle the user being banned, how do we handle multiple bots using that same token and hitting ratelimits (is this a case? not sure)) while still being able to cache streamers across multiple user tokens. This is much more complex than an EventSub setup, or even a single-token polling system would be

@Dist

It’s really not a massive amount of data. If you use User tokens then even if a streamer wants to look up 1,000 channels, that’s only 10 requests per minute per user. Even if for some reason a Discord server wanted announcements for 80,000 streamers, that’s still 800 requests per minute and perfectly fine with the rate limit.

That does nothing to reduce the overall requests needed and we would still be wasting time on offline streamers.

@Dist

You do not know how this scales internally at Twitch. The simple fact there are are rate limits that prevent you doing what you intend to do with EventSub, but do allow you to do without issue with User Tokens and polling the API is perhaps indicative that polling the API is the ideal option for your use case. It may not be ideal for you, but for Twitch it may be.

Fair point, taken. Let’s switch gears a little bit then, would it be possible for Twitch to provide a feed of users that recently came online through the API? In this way, you guys could keep the heavy caching and we would benefit from not having to visit offline streamers. There are a host of solutions here that could benefit both sides.